Disappearing Bees!

topic posted Tue, February 27, 2007 - 4:09 PM by  L Ifent
Has anyone else heard about the disapearing bees in the northwest. I read yesterday that about 30% of a bee colony will naturally disappear when the come back to their hives to harvest but now there has been a huge increase in the disappearance. I also read that every third bite of food that you eat has is because of bees pollination.
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L Ifent
Washington
  • Re: Disappearing Bees!

    Thu, March 8, 2007 - 2:09 PM
    Yes, there is a much longer discussion of the topic in the bees tribe.

    Some people are concerned that BT pollen from genetically modified crops may be playing a role in the problem.
  • Re: Disappearing Bees!

    Tue, April 10, 2007 - 6:00 PM
    I live in Northern Ohio and the local bee-keepers are really worried. So are the farmers, it was even in the paper. It mentioned that this has happened before, but they never found the reason....is it one of nature's great mysteries or is it the chemicals man kind is plying to the earth?
    • Re: Disappearing Bees!

      Fri, April 13, 2007 - 8:34 PM
      I have been lucky to have had 3 wild swarms propogate my empty hives the last 3 years. I just had another and I opened it and found the queen the other day. They look like they are totally happy...of course I had ordered some bee's a couple months ago, so I am scurring to find somewhere I can have another hive this year, and found a spot at my sisters horse stables, so I dont have to cancel my bee order at least.
      I went 3 years when I started back yard beekeeping without requeening till the hive eventually thinned and died out.
      I think this latest swarm is the great great great great great great X3 grandchildren of my original bees.
      • Re: Disappearing Bees!

        Tue, April 17, 2007 - 11:13 AM
        kind of funny (not hehehe but ironic) that people keep shouting "GLOBAL WARMING< GLOBAL WARMING!" Yet those of us know that its the cold weather thats the achilies of bee colonies, not the heat.
        You need to look at history, and the last 150 years has seen a real big increase in domestic colonies. Where as (that is a short spit in time relative) that boxed bee colonies are a relatively new phenomena...that does NOT go back thousands of years.
  • Re: Disappearing Bees!

    Sun, April 15, 2007 - 12:04 PM
    Could it be the weather?


    More From The Plain Dealer | Subscribe To The Plain Dealer
    Weather turn a blow to already-endangered busy bees
    Saturday, April 07, 2007
    Michael Sangiacomo
    Plain Dealer Reporter
    The sudden return of winter has strained already overburdened Ohio honeybees and could contribute to a death rate of 40 to 70 percent, one of the state's top bee experts warned.
    "Bees just can't get a break," said James Tew, a specialist at Ohio State University's Honeybee Laboratory in Wooster. "We were already facing a large bee kill because of a lack of stored food and now this lengthy cold snap is endangering the rest of the hives. If the temperatures dip into the teens, the die-off will be even worse."
    Medina's Kim Flottum, editor of Bee Culture magazine, said the bolt of bad weather, including subfreezing temperatures, snow and hail was like a stick in the eye. Bees used the record-breaking warm spell to lay eggs, gather food for their young and make wax. But once the cold hit, the bees were unable to leave the hive and gather food for their hungry offspring and themselves.
    "The bees were so focused on gathering food for their young and making wax that you could have walked naked into a hive and not been stung," Flottum said. "The queen was laying eggs, it was exciting and then - boom, a kick in the face."
    Tew said the bees' fortunes depend on whether the blossoms can withstand the cold snap and be there when temperatures go up again. Then the remaining bees can get food they need to feed their young and, in the process, pollinate the trees.
    If the blossoms are gone, the young bees will die and fewer bees will pollinate the early blooming cherry, plum and fruit trees that blossomed last week. That means less fruit or shrunken and deformed fruit.
    Tew worries about losing the estimated 4,000 backyard beekeepers whose bees provide much of the fruit and vegetable pollination since the collapse of the feral bee population in the early 1990s.
    The state's apple crop should not be affected since apple trees bloom later, in early May. Beekeepers from the southern United States are expected to arrive in Ohio in a few weeks to rent out their hives to local apple orchards.
    Tew said the last year had been hard on bees, resulting in insufficient food storage. When beekeepers examined their hives the past few weeks they found whole colonies had starved to death over the winter.
    Beekeepers in the southern United States were among the hardest hit by the so-called "colony collapse," which has baffled scientists and agricultural experts across the country. Across the nation, beekeepers found more than a quarter-million hives empty in March. The bees and their queen flew off and never returned in the American South, the Southeast and the West. On the West Coast, from 30 percent to 60 percent of the honeybees deserted their hives and, in Texas, up to 70 percent.
    Enough of their hives are expected to recover for northern apple season. And Ohio was more fortunate. "We've had scattered reports of colony collapse in Ohio, but not as many as we feared," Tew said. "Now, we're more concerned about the weather."

    To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:

    msangiacomo@plaind.com, 216-999-4890

    • Re: Disappearing Bees!

      Mon, April 16, 2007 - 10:47 PM
      I read an article suggesting that cell phones might have something to do with it. Yesterday I went on a hike with some friends in the Berkeley hills and came across a wild bee hive in an Oak tree. It was a very voracious and healthy hive from what I could see, I went up the hill from the trail and got rather close to it. This is the second WILD hive I've found in Berkeley within the year. I think wild hives will survive whereas the more domesticated ones may have more chances of dying out. I once had the experience of harvesting honey from a truely wild hive when I wuz a young teenager. It was in the hills above Stanford University near a rock quarry, that I noted a hive in an old Oak tree upon a hillside. We had a powerful storm one year and the tree with the hive fell over. The bees had bailed on the tree sometime after this had happened. I hiked up there about a week after the storm and noticed the tree was down and bees were gone. I ran over to the tree and saw just a small line of ants making their way into the opening of the hive. I immediatly placed my hand into the hive and grabbed a small piece of honey comb. I bit into this and savoured the best honey ever ! If only I had a chainsaw and a few 5 gallon buckets at the time....
      • Re: Disappearing Bees!

        Tue, April 17, 2007 - 7:32 AM
        this is probably what's happening to a lot of the kept colonies. They are making homes for themselves in the wild. I lived on a 400 acre ranch in Petaluma,Ca. for about 8 years. The ranch had 6 large stands of eucaliptas and five of those ended up with bee colonies.

        there are of course both those bad little mites and there's at least on fungus which attacks hives. Also the africanized bees will take over a hive and insert thier own queen. Once that's done they become nomadic.
  • Colony Collapse Syndrome

    Thu, April 19, 2007 - 11:41 AM
    Colon Collapse Syndrome is what they're calling it. The two theories that are most popular is that it is caused either by pesticides (stop spraying your gardens people, and write to your state representatives to outlaw spraying the food supply!), or possibly by a virus (that the bees were formerly able to fight off but are now susceptible to) due to weakened immune systems from varroa mite infestations.
    To lose the honey bees would be to seal the coffin of humanity, essentially. Einstein predicted that if the honey bees were wiped out, we'd have four years to live as a species.
    Let's hope they figure out a solution soon.
    • Re: Colony Collapse Syndrome

      Thu, April 19, 2007 - 6:04 PM
      I have heard many theories and I am not sure what is true and what is "rumors!" I did read in our local paper about some old timer bee-keepers saying that this has happened before. About 40 years ago many box hive bee hives disappeared, or died off. Could this be a cycle of nature. Nature is strange and we don't really understand it all...Could this be a possibility???
  • Re: Disappearing Bees!

    Fri, April 20, 2007 - 12:30 AM
    Some promising new research links their disappearance to electromagnetic interference with their natural navigation systems. This has a lot of supporting research in other species such as cetoids and past indications of bees acting differently around high energy electrical equipment.

    The spread of cell phones and wireless networks could be resulting in another kind of network bug, the bee that is intercepting the signal and going who knows where because of what we are typing in over the internet....

    Bees die if they don't get back to a hive and sources of food and water, so in a short time confusion alone can wipe out the colony.

    There does not seem to be any corresponding increase in wild hives so that theory seems incorrect for this condition.

    Considering that the swedish and finnish studies are showing that the research into negative effects of wireless equipment on human brain cells is in fact valid, despite it having been shot down in the us, big surprise there, that too is supporting evidence of electromagnetic energy being the cause of colony collapse.
    • Re: Disappearing Bees!

      Fri, April 20, 2007 - 6:45 PM
      the cyclic thing is starting to sound reasonable. We seem to forget cycling in our new modern, information age society, where we think if we hear something its new, where as its just new to us.
      • Re: Disappearing Bees!

        Sat, April 21, 2007 - 12:16 AM
        Actually I would not put any credibility on it. There is no evidence of cyclical life patterns in bees as there are in some species.

        One second hand anecdotal comment from one time forty years ago is about as flimsy as it can get.

        Now organic farming, that is nothing new, just new to those blinded by modern society and who forgot the past.
        • Re: Disappearing Bees!

          Sat, April 21, 2007 - 6:10 AM
          I found this on a forum that I post at(Beemaster.com) -seems like pretty reasonable ideas to me HA!



          I've herd everything from, diseases to cell phones causing CCD. And every news article I've read seems to reference to some scientist (usually from Europe) who did something to some bees and then CCD occurred.

          So I've decided to start a list of 100 outrageous things that could also cause CCD. It's not complete so feel free to add.

          1) The launch of Windows Vista.

          2) 7 years of George Bush in office.

          3) Bees searching for Non-smoking section of the world.

          4) Sanjaya's singing voice on American Idol.

          5) The death of Anna Nicole Smith.

          6) Carnivorous plants
          • Another nutty theory for the list.

            Sat, April 21, 2007 - 3:28 PM
            I am not joking, I heard this recently in store that sells a variety of new age oriented material.

            The disappearing bees are ascending to a higher, energy based life form so they can spread love and light across the galaxy.....

            Where are the men in the white coats with the jackets with all the straps when you need them?
        • Re: Disappearing Bees!

          Sat, April 21, 2007 - 2:12 PM
          although it is sort of strange, now with the advent of much more organic farming, (doubled in the last decade or so) we are now just starting to see the apiary disapperance phenomena....connection? I guess is we are willing to accept one theory, we have to look at all others not just our favorites.
          • Re: Disappearing Bees!

            Sat, April 21, 2007 - 3:25 PM
            Hardly, perhaps if you have no education in any form of science or critical thought.

            There are theories likely to make sense and some which are extremely unlikely and based more on superstition and half baked or marginal understanding of science.

            A lot of people floating out theories don't seem to have much experience with either science, biology, farming or bees. So naturally those theories are going to get the least attention.

            Of course we should check out all the ideas, even the weird ones, because if a weird one works, then we can find out why and it's not so weird anymore.
            • Re: Disappearing Bees!

              Wed, April 25, 2007 - 7:32 AM
              This is a good example of unifarming and the results when bad things happen.
              The bees we count on are pretty much one strain of bee, not much sub species diversity.

              Someone was on the right track when they created the Africanized bee but they chose the wrong bee to crossbreed too and some of the hybred queens got loose.

              It wil be interesting too see if they also suffer in this lastest scourge. If not they may be the bees we will end up depending on for much of the pollination and that's not a good scenerio

              • Re: Disappearing Bees!

                Wed, April 25, 2007 - 9:50 AM
                on China...and "green" I do think that the demise of polution will b the third world and developing countries, and cant help but wonder if this is affecting everything down to the insects. I think the greenies are missing the point, the only way we can lead the world in being green, is to build a dome over our country to protect us from everyone elses polution. Because we cant stop everyone else.
                • Re: Disappearing Bees!

                  Wed, April 25, 2007 - 10:44 PM
                  That is also something of a sad truth, unless something very firm is done to keep people from polluting it will remain a problem and this is a big part of what all the disinformation is about, keeping enough people from forming a clear consensus to allow for coherent and decisive action.

                  If we ever reach the point of having to have domes though you can kiss every basic human right and freedom good bye in no time because those in power will control all your air, water and food.
              • Re: Disappearing Bees!

                Wed, April 25, 2007 - 10:42 PM
                That's an intersting point Tony, it seems the partially africanized bees are becoming less agressive while still retaining many of their natural resistences that were the reason they were being researched in the first place.

                It my be an ironic point if they end up being the most common bee species for agricultural polllination.
                • Re: Disappearing Bees!

                  Thu, April 26, 2007 - 6:12 AM
                  They have a higher honey production rate then our common bee but they don't tend to stick around in one place for very long which might make honey collection very interesting lol.
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                    Re: Disappearing Bees!

                    Wed, May 16, 2007 - 2:28 PM
                    A friend of mine in the agro science biz said they have done tests on dead bees and found
                    double stranded DNA which they say suggests a virus is at work.
  • Re: Disappearing Bees!

    Sun, July 1, 2007 - 4:32 AM
    A mite infestation imported from NZ has wiped out honey bees on Oahu and it appears to be a matter of time before it infests the rest of Hawaii. The mite infests the hive and feeds on bees in all stages of development. What import/ export protocals? Another aspect to consider is that the honey bee was imported to Oahu in the 1880's by ranchers to increase the yield of Kiawe bean (African mesquite?) for the cattle to eat. The native Yellow face bee of Hawaii is unaffected because it is hiveless like the carpenter bee. The yellow face only pollenates in areas with a diversity of native species present which accounts for little these days. I don't mean to sound like a fatalist or anything, but if the honey bee goes extinct, we're fcuked.

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