Someone in another tribe pointed me to this website.
Their views on honey and beekeeping would be laughable if they were not so delusionally serious about it.
Check out this web page:
www.vegansociety.com/html/an...bees.php
Their views on honey and beekeeping would be laughable if they were not so delusionally serious about it.
Check out this web page:
www.vegansociety.com/html/an...bees.php
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Re: Very weird and distorted take on honey...
Sun, September 17, 2006 - 9:33 PMdon't worry i am coming to save you my little bee sisters. -
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Re: Very weird and distorted take on honey...
Mon, September 18, 2006 - 9:17 AMLOL, I am glad I didn't have my mouth full when I read that.... -
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Re: Very weird and distorted take on honey...
Tue, September 19, 2006 - 11:44 AM:) -
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This is somewhat related
Fri, September 22, 2006 - 11:07 AMWasps don't make honey, but I like them too!
Poem: "Apology to the Wasps" by Sara Littlecrow-Russell from The Secret Powers of Naming. © The University of Arizona Press.
Apology to the Wasps
Terrorized by your stings,
I took out biochemical weapons
And blasted your nest
Like it was a third world country.
I was the United States Air Force.
It felt good to be so powerful
Until I saw your family
Trailing shredded wings,
Staggering on disintegrating legs,
Trying desperately to save the eggs
You had stung to protect. -
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Re: This is somewhat related
Fri, September 22, 2006 - 3:05 PMI like most species of wasps too, except the overly agressive bald faced wasps.
I try to teach local kids(and adults when possible) to leave the yellow jackets and mud daubers alone by telling them about all the caterpillers and stuff they eat from the garden and how they will get more fruit and vegetables because of them. -
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Re: This is somewhat related
Fri, September 22, 2006 - 4:17 PMoh yeah. I once saw a jellow jacket grab a HUGE green worm off of my tomato plant and I have loved them ever since! -
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Re: This is somewhat related
Fri, September 22, 2006 - 5:45 PMIt's great. They really go to town on the cabbage moth caterpillers too.
We have the wasps that do the baiting of spiders around here too, the ones that intentionally go into the web and fake it until the spider comes out and they sting them and run away.
Amazing to watch. -
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Re: This is somewhat related
Fri, September 22, 2006 - 6:41 PMi have never seen that it sounds cool! -
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I love bees. I Love honey.
Sun, September 24, 2006 - 7:20 PMbotcholism? Because the bees collect sewage, or chipped paint??
SUGAR IS BETTER?????!!!!
come on people. -
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Re: I love bees. I Love honey.
Tue, December 12, 2006 - 4:19 PMBotulism comes from the soil in many areas where the bacteria can live for centuries in an idle state.
Up until infants develop resistance to it honey is a risk. I love bees and honey too, but raw unheated honey is a risk for infants under six months and it is probably best to wait for the first year.
So in this case sugar is better, sadly.
Of course you could go with many other forms of sugar such as maple sugar, brown sugar, etc.
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Re: Very weird and distorted take on honey...
Wed, December 13, 2006 - 1:14 PMIt's actually a good description of the things that are wrong with commercial/chemical-using beekeeping, but luckily organic and small-cell methods seem to trump the chemical ones in the long run. Many of the problems they're describing go away if you go small-cell or organic long enough. Of course it makes huge migratory beekeeping more difficult, but problems crop up with lots of huge-scale agriculture, not just beekeeping, and the problems are partly nature's way of telling us that we really need to get back to local-scale food production.
A few people are starting to experiment with larger-scale organic or small cell or top bar hive beekeeping and it's definitely do-able as a business, and a more ecologically sustainable one at that.
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>>When beekeepers manipulate combs many bees are crushed and killed. Hives have smoke puffed into them to calm bees down and make them easier to handle. Special excluders or devices that violate the bees' space are attached to hives to collect bee products from bees as they enter hives. Bees are separated from their hives by being shaken vigorously or jetted out with powerful streams of air. They may have their legs and wings clipped off. Clipping the wings of queen bees prevents them from swarming (flying off!).
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Doesn't sound anythign like how I manipulate bees (besides smoke, which isn't exactly torture from what I can tell) -
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Re: Very weird and distorted take on honey...
Wed, December 13, 2006 - 1:43 PMI agree with you. I don't think I have ever seen a keeper accidentally kill more than two bees during a hive inspection and usually none at all.
Smoke does them no harm, it just masks the alarm scent and makes them a bit sleepy.
As for the rest about large scale production, I agree totally, it is a problem and the chemical and commercial methods should be avoided as much as possible.
As you say though, the good organic methods are scaling up quite nicely for a lot of folks so why bother with the foolishness of chemicals and non-natural approaches. -
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Re: Very weird and distorted take on honey...
Wed, December 13, 2006 - 2:26 PMI don't know how much you guys follow the 'small cell' movement- some of the ardent advocates are a bit wacko- but they're having extremely good luck controlling varroa and other diseases (due to having a healthier brood nest and thus healthier bees whose immune systems can handle the other common diseases better). You absolutely can't say the same thing for any chemical-using beekeepers.
Also, many of us believe in 'natural comb' and in periodically harvesting/cycling out old brood comb, which seems to take care of a lot of the viruses and other disease organisms found in old comb. One theory I"ve heard from master beekeeper Les Crowder (see www.ecoversity.com or .org or whatever it is) is that this is something that wax moth used to do for the bees, prior to beekeepers putting a stop to wax moth activity.
Here's a good website about the organic methods and a balanced look at small cell beekeeping:
bwrangler.madpage.com/bee/ttbh.htm
this link takes you to the top bar page (that's what I do, and here in the Bay Area we TBH owners have very good luck with no-chemical TBH beekeeping) but if you click on the 'small cell' link there's a pretty good explanation of the theory and evidence behind it.
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